azuremoon
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 3, 2012 11:21:50 GMT -6
The funny thing is, they way they're acting, it's almost like THEY believe in Zutara. Like they think if Zuko and Katara will meet up that they'll have an affair or something. Second chance at love. =3 And it's not an affair if both of your spouses are dead. =D
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chromeknickers
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Post by chromeknickers on Dec 3, 2012 20:03:24 GMT -6
how hard is it to stay neutral and professional - really now? It wasn't hard for JKR. Sure, she admitted that she didn't see the appeal in romanticising Draco by shipping him with characters like Hermione and Ginny, but not once did she insult her fanbase. Not once did she generalise people's shipping preferences by arrogantly ascribing mental and emotional deficiencies to it. It's one thing to say that a certain fictional relationship would never work out, but it's a whole other matter to claim that those who enjoy said fictional ship are bound to have doomed relationships themselves. That's just stupidity. A lot of people enjoy those human-vampire relationships, and practically that would be a dangerous and potentially toxic relationship in real life. It doesn't mean that your average (sane) shipper wants to marry a blood-sucking vampire. At least I hope not.
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honeybee
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Post by honeybee on Dec 3, 2012 20:28:06 GMT -6
You haven't seen the video? Well, be glad! It was awful. I think it was at a convention of sorts. You know how they'll have a big screen in the room for showing off images or clips? Well, they displayed quite a few Zutara artworks (made by fans - all sexual in nature, like that's all Zutara is about) on there to mock and sneer at. I can't remember the things they said, but it had angered me at the time. I'd look for it for you, but I really don't want see that video again, or catch a glimpse of comments left by vicious shippers in agreement with Bryke. I don't want to put my blood pressure up when it can be avoided.
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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 3, 2012 20:35:45 GMT -6
I can see why JKR would be shocked by people shipping Draco with Ginny and Hermione. He's really NOT a good boy, as much as fans wish he was. I wish she had given him a Zuko-like arc, but that wasn't the case. I did see the video and I didn't think it was that bad, honestly. I also think, in Bryke's defense a bit, that their comment about doomed relationships was a joke. The atla fandom is just super sensitive.
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chromeknickers
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Post by chromeknickers on Dec 3, 2012 20:44:16 GMT -6
Lol, Lia. Don't say JKR didn't offend her fanbase around the militant harmony shippers. I was a mod at Portkey; they got pretty offended over some interviews, and it was crazy. I never paid attention to the Harmony stuff. I just remember her interviews about Draco. But did JKR say that anyone who shipped Harmony were going to have doomed relationships? (By the by, JKR can't really complain about Harmony since she spent so much time building Harry and Hermione's relationship and just pulled Ginny in at the end, like a random rabbit out of a random hat.) I can understand why creators would get uncomfortable with people shipping pairings they would never want to put together, or ones that go against their canon pairings. But to blatantly generalise that anyone who doesn't ship what you (the creator) made canon is a foolish idiot and is bound to have toxic relationships should they ship fanon pairings is just... stupid.
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azuremoon
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 3, 2012 21:35:27 GMT -6
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that video. Actually, I do have something to say about this whole idea of Zutara being the 'sexual pairing', but it might be more suitable in the Zutara Club thread. *runs off to ZK Club* Lol!! Where's the ZK Club thread? And to me, Zutara is not the 'sexual pairing'. Sure, with any couple that stays around long enough, sex will be an issue to be addressed. Yes, there are a lot of sexy Zutara fanfics and artworks. That is not the ONLY stuff you see though. That's just what they looked for to mock. =( Urgh! ><
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 3, 2012 22:07:48 GMT -6
Woot! commented thanks babe!
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honeybee
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Post by honeybee on Dec 3, 2012 22:12:58 GMT -6
I did see the video and I didn't think it was that bad, honestly. I also think, in Bryke's defense a bit, that their comment about doomed relationships was a joke. The atla fandom is just super sensitive. I was quite sensitive back then, so I probably remember the video being worse than it actually was. But still, I can't help but think "what if it had been my fanart put up there for everyone to point and laugh at?" I would have been so heart broken, especially if the mocking was set up by people I once thought to be amazing. When you think of it that way, you can't help but feel angry about it.
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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 3, 2012 22:30:09 GMT -6
I do wish they had done their own art, because using other people's stuff does make it seem more mocking. But they kind of made fun of a lot of ships in that video if I remember right, even Kataang. [The Ember Island Players really made fun of it, haha. But it was pretty accurate, sadly.]
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Post by Vindictev on Dec 3, 2012 22:44:55 GMT -6
I did see the video and I didn't think it was that bad, honestly. I also think, in Bryke's defense a bit, that their comment about doomed relationships was a joke. The atla fandom is just super sensitive. I was quite sensitive back then, so I probably remember the video being worse than it actually was. But still, I can't help but think "what if it had been my fanart put up there for everyone to point and laugh at?" I would have been so heart broken, especially if the mocking was set up by people I once thought to be amazing. When you think of it that way, you can't help but feel angry about it. Indeed. I know I would have been offended is someone used my artwork to say that I'll have doomed relationships for something I'm passionate towards. It's not that we're oversensitive. Bryke disrespected a lot of fans for doing that. Using their artwork to mock and basically call them stupid is just low. This is like the Grey Delisle thing again. The people who work for the show put their offensive jokes on the web and don't bother to consider what the people who have any relevance might think and feel of it.
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