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Post by avatarfreak14 on Nov 30, 2012 23:41:51 GMT -6
Okay guys, this might just be me but I seriously feel like Bryke has been avoiding Zutara since the end of the show. Here's some reasons why:
First off, Bryke has been known to mock us Zutarians by calling us kids and saying that if we think Zuko and Katara should be together than we're going to all have doomed relationships. This isn't very encouraging to begin with.
Secondly, after the series ended, they released the comic series "The Promise". This completely slaughtered every character and changed the relationship of the characters with each other. One of the damaged relationships being between Zuko and Katara. They barely spoke. And when they did Zuko was restraining Katara and made to look like an idiot or Katara would just make a suggestion. I mean come on Bryke, We get that they're not together but did you have to butcher the friendship as well?
Finally LoK. Tenzin is Aang and Katara's child. I read several opinions about this and one said: "Bryke never learns, you think after all the Zutara and Kataang warfare over the last few years that they would've been more careful or considerate in what they display." I agree with this, because while it might've seemed to "straighten things out", it did two things:
1. Gave the chance for Kataangers to become smug and tell Zutarians that they won and that our ship never happened.
2. Eliminated any chance of Zutara.
Basically, I felt as though someone was rubbing salt in an old wound. Also, in the official picture where the GAang is all grown up, they had Aang's arm around Katara's waist. Call me paranoid , but that kind of ruined it for me. I didn't feel like I was looking at the GAang, I felt like I was looking at the GAang and Aang and Katara. It was like they were separate. Toph, Zuko and Sokka were one thing and Katara and Aang were another. I mean, I know they're together and I can accept that, but couldn't Bryke just leave it alone for that one important picture?
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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 1, 2012 0:10:02 GMT -6
The Promise is put into the same box as The Last Airbender. We do not speak of it. [And for the record, I believe the writer said he prefers Zuko and Katara together. Maybe that's why he butchered kataang so badly lmao] And I wouldn't say eliminating Zutara is a shock. I mean, most writers make the endgame couple clear with no exceptions. Sometimes you'll find an open ending, but not typically. I think the popularity of Zutara really caught them by surprise. And it's obvious they love Zuko, but they love Aang too. I kind of felt like their love for Aang outweighted the logic of Kataang because logically, it didn't make sense to me.
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Post by avatarfreak14 on Dec 1, 2012 0:16:04 GMT -6
The both of you are right (and you sound a lot more rationally than I (Zutara mind)). Boogum, I agree, I hate that they slaughtered the friendship. They made it so hard to believe that Zuko jumped in front of a lightning bolt for Katara, that went straight out the window. Their relationship was so understanding and realistic and wonderful. Now it's just.. Blah.
And MrsPettyfer, you're right as well. No matter what they do they can't change the fact that Zutara was their most popular ship and anything they do just makes me more determined to love them.
So apparently Katara and Zuko are the only original gAang members that are alive in LoK... I want a reunion. *troll face*
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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 1, 2012 1:07:18 GMT -6
I hope we don't get trolled with it. Like someone makes the comment about Zuko and Katara, and then one of them just slams the idea. I can see Bryke doing that, solidifying that it would never happen, and I will be a sad panda if it does lol.
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Post by honeybee on Dec 1, 2012 1:13:28 GMT -6
You just know that if there was a reunion between Zuko and Katara, it will either be stiff and indifferent, or Katara will go on and on about how much she misses Aang, her "one true love". But that's just me being all cynical (and can you really blame me after what happened in the Promise? XD). Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised and get a Zuko and Katara who are BFFs and talk about anything and everything under the sun, and not just center their conversations around those who died YEARS ago. I have some issues with that image, too. If they had put Aang in the front, with Katara and Sokka standing slightly behind him, and Zuko and Toph standing slightly behind them, it would have made a better picture. They didn't have to put Aang and Katara in their own little corner away from everyone else. It would have been fine if it was something like this, where they were all doing something. But they were all posing for the "camera", so they should have all huddled together for the picture. They're friends, after all. XD I still wish they had left an open ending to AtLA, and set Korra centuries into the future instead of just a few decades. Oh well, there's always fanfiction.
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Post by emletish on Dec 1, 2012 5:56:37 GMT -6
Yes I always felt like the butchering of the Zutara friendship was an unnecessary casualty of the ship war. I mean Bryke obviously are Kataangers, and Zutara obviously annoys them - so of course they want to crush it. but doing so just made both characters look a bit ridiculous and the storyline look silly.
silly is the nicest word I can think of to describe the promise.
I think they just want us all to know that Kataang is canon.
I an cool with that.
I look at the canon relationships (aside from Sokka/Suki) and think err no thanks.
I'm actually kind of glad that Zutara wasn't canon.
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Post by avatarfreak14 on Dec 1, 2012 6:19:54 GMT -6
Yeah.. They're focus cannons usually come out a bit ridiculous..
And, I now for a fact that if Zutara was cannon, all the Zutarians wouldn't have been as passionate about it.
You always want what you can't have right?
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Post by avatarfreak14 on Dec 1, 2012 6:35:35 GMT -6
You just know that if there was a reunion between Zuko and Katara, it will either be stiff and indifferent, or Katara will go on and on about how much she misses Aang, her "one true love". But that's just me being all cynical (and can you really blame me after what happened in the Promise? XD). Maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised and get a Zuko and Katara who are BFFs and talk about anything and everything under the sun, and not just center their conversations around those who died YEARS ago. Exactly, I feel like Bryke couldn't bear to make anything even friendship affectionate between Zuko and Katara, it's ridiculous. And thank you, you know exactly how I feel about the photo. I have some issues with that image, too. If they had put Aang in the front, with Katara and Sokka standing slightly behind him, and Zuko and Toph standing slightly behind them, it would have made a better picture. They didn't have to put Aang and Katara in their own little corner away from everyone else. It would have been fine if it was something like this, where they were all doing something. But they were all posing for the "camera", so they should have all huddled together for the picture. They're friends, after all. XD I still wish they had left an open ending to AtLA, and set Korra centuries into the future instead of just a few decades. Oh well, there's always fanfiction.
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Post by manzanasverdes on Dec 1, 2012 10:31:59 GMT -6
I get the feeling that they didn't intend Zutara to happen, and the fact that, in the end, it wound up making more sense and having more depth than either Kataang or Maiko bugs them. Maybe the did intend some kind of love triangle in there, but not the kind where Zuko was an actual competition, just someone who maybe got Aang a bit uncomfortable and insecure, or caught Katara's eye for a bit, but then they all move on onto the endgame(s) Bryke been building up since episode one. It just backfired on them, I guess (because they messed up their metaphors, parallel arcs and general narrative cues! ahem).
And then Zutara goes on to have a larger fandom (personally I got into fandom by accident, and what drew me in was the idea of fanon, that you could be dissatisfied with some aspect of the text but still enjoy it, and further, produce fannish works to soothe your aching heart, so it's no mystery to me that Zutara's fandom is, at least perceived to be, larger than that of canon pairings, but that's just me) even after they were sunk in canon, even though, technically, they never even sailed, according to what the show told us, they were never even a proper vessel at all. It turns out it became a submarine, ha! And Bryke strike me as having the egos to be annoyed by this. They also have the pettiness to go about and 'joke' about how inferior our fanon is, too.
Basically I think it stings them pretty mightily. I usually take notice, when thinking about this, of how Aang was never actually wrong, he had his temper tantrums, but they were excused (and understandable, tbh) and hand-waved away as soon as possible. He was never wrong, his beliefs were always upheld as the ultimate ideal; all the other cultures had downfalls, had flaws, but not the air nomads, they were always right and pure and all that's good with the world. Aang was Bryke's mouthpiece, if you will, for the show's general message, sometimes he comes across entirely too much like an authorial self-insert (aged-up design in-show was actually based on DiMartino, even), so I guess that this adds up to the whole Zutara is badwrong and we should be reminded of that as often as possible thing. Zuko is not their 'champion'. This is, of course, a matter of perception and opinion, it's also part of the reason why the whole Katara as a price idea really, really stuck with me and annoys me to no end.
Personally I have no problem with Tenzin, it's their story and it's their endgame and it makes sense that Kataang would marry and spawn. So I don't feel like Tenzin is an In Your Face to us Zutarians. The fact that Zuko and Katara are the only members of the gang still alive and seem to be in no form of contact at all feels more like a direct slight (though it may not necessarily be one. The thing is, this is Bryke so I wouldn't put it past them). Ditto the poster, why do Kataang have to way off to the side like that when it's supposed to be a group photo? and that arm around Katara also feels a bit possessive in how it seems to break her apart from the other three (but this might be my Zutara talking. I mean, Sokka does have a hand on Zuko's shoulder, but that's probably because they're total bros, so).
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Post by honeybee on Dec 1, 2012 11:32:38 GMT -6
I get the feeling that they didn't intend Zutara to happen, and the fact that, in the end, it wound up making more sense and having more depth than either Kataang or Maiko bugs them. Maybe the did intend some kind of love triangle in there, but not the kind where Zuko was an actual competition, just someone who maybe got Aang a bit uncomfortable and insecure, or caught Katara's eye for a bit, but then they all move on onto the endgame(s) Bryke been building up since episode one. It just backfired on them, I guess (because they messed up their metaphors, parallel arcs and general narrative cues! ahem). I think that, too. Zutara made far more sense than the end-game pairings (even to casual viewers), so they're probably furious at themselves for messing up so badly with that, and are lashing out at fans because of it since they don't want to admit they had made [m]any errors. You can tell that they're doing this by the way they're overcompensating in the LoK, frist by making Kataang spawn, and second by making it absolutely clear that Aang was the one true love of Katara's life by actually saying so in the first 15 seconds of episode one... Insecure much? =/ Oh my god - really? D8 I never noticed that.... Could someone post a side-by-side comparison image for me? No, wait - never mind. I'd rather not see how far this self-insert thing goes. XD
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