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Post by mrspettyfer on Nov 25, 2012 17:14:27 GMT -6
Overprotective Sokka and Hakoda. Has that been talked about? I think there's a difference in being protective and OVERprotective. Sokka and Hakoda never came off as overprotective to me. I can imagine Sokka joking around with Katara and giving her a hard time, trying to embarrass her, but I can't imagine him going all "OMG NOT MY SISTER!" to Zuko. It creates unnecessary drama to me and comes off as OOC. And the smell thing. Omg lmao. It's such a trend in YA books I swear. I get that sometimes people will smell like certain things, like they may smell sweaty after running, but I always find it odd to give characters a distinct smell. I've seen the oddest things, not just in fanfics but in real published stories. Sandalwood. Cotton. Pine. Lemon. My nose must not be working right because my boyfriend doesn't smell like any of those things. He doesn't really smell at all unless he's put on cologne or just worked out.
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Post by dynamojacks on Nov 25, 2012 19:05:38 GMT -6
Agreed on the possessive Sokka thing- it's established that Zuko and he are like brothers in arms after The Boiling Rock. I hiiighly doubt he'd be so vehemently against Zuko gettin' with his sis. And just about any time they're on good terms. Just.. it doesn't sit with him. He's protective of her SOMETIMES, like when Aang burns her by accident. But that's a whole other thing. Anyway. I think this is worth quoting for the pet peeves thing (if it hasn't been said already). Source
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Post by kathrynlacey on Nov 26, 2012 0:47:01 GMT -6
I agree with all of the above except for the overprotective Sokka thing. I mean... I guess it really just depends... I can see him being like, "Ugh... Why are you kissing in front of me! Stop it!" or "Zuko, if you hurt her, I'll make you regret it." but I can't see him trying to scare off a potential suitor unless he's douchey like Jet. However, even then, he didn't try to keep Jetara away from each other so much as just wanted to get the hell out of dodge.
Pet Peeve: When Iroh is Zuko's biological father. I guess this isn't really "zutara" specific, but I've never seen it in anything other than a Zutara fanfic (granted, that's the only kind of fanfiction I read, but still). I feel like it sullies their relationship by making Iroh have to be the father figure rather than having him do it because it's really the right thing to do and he loves his nephew as he is. I don't know that I'm explaining it right, but yeah.
It also pissed me off because Urzai is my adult OTP, and I can't imagine Ursa cheating on Ozai, and why can't Ozai be a dick because it's his nature? Why does he have to be a dick because Zuko isn't his natural born son? I hate it.
Furthermore, I'm pretty sure Iroh wouldn't have an affair with his brother's wife. I think he'd bang all sorts of young, unattached hotties, but not a woman who is married to his brother no matter how difficult their familial relationship may have been.
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Post by advocaat on Nov 26, 2012 1:28:03 GMT -6
I definitely dislike it when Katara is treated like glass. I especially hate it when she's made to cry all the time for no good reason. I think we all agree that Katara is not a helpless little doll. I feel like authors are always making her tear up about something and it makes you want to roll your eyes, because Katara's character in the show is clearly defiant and strong. She is more likely to cry angry tears than "oh, woe is me!" tears.
Look at Boogum's avatar, for goodness sake. Does that look like a helpless crybaby?
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Post by chromeknickers on Nov 26, 2012 20:44:59 GMT -6
Aside from the death or injury of her friends and family, I can really only see Katara crying over something she has done wrong - to the point where her guilt has consumed her. It's more of a breakdown than anything.
Another pet peeve: Zuko as some Avatar version of Lothario. The only men in the Avatar world that come the closest to this description would be a young Iroh or Jet. Not even Sokka can pull it off since he seems to blindly pull all the girls without any effort (probably because of the exotic appeal of Water Tribe people). But Zuko? Zuko's about as suave as Aang, but worse - somehow so much worse because he's so darn awkward (and angry and brooding).
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Post by mrspettyfer on Nov 27, 2012 1:19:07 GMT -6
^Lol I agree completely. I can imagine girls falling at his feet because he's a prince and they might be after fame, but definitely not because he's this seductive piece of man candy.
I also don't like when Katara is made out to be seductive. She's about as experienced as he is, maybe less in the make out department. But she's pretty innocent and shy when it comes to boys.
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Post by harpalyce on Nov 27, 2012 16:59:27 GMT -6
Seductive Katara and Lothario Zuko I'm okay with. ...Provided that in both cases their attempts end up in HILARIOUS DISASTER. "BUT HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU WERE ALLERGIC TO ROSEPETALS?!" etc etc
(I admit that I like playing with the idea of Zuko having ambiguous parentage between Ozai and Iroh, but I don't really sail the good ship Urzai, so there's that too.)
I'm just going to go on another rant about how people forget political ramifications. Especially with the evidence that Li and Lo were Azulon's concubines. (There's a really neat essay floating around tumblr that dissects the evidence...) I just want more adult Zutara fics where the 'accepting' people at court nod and smile at Zuko and go 'well that's terrific! but what are you going to do for your WIFE instead of just your head concubine?'...
Basically the first half of Zuko's reign is going to be such a political powderkeg I'm not sure why you would want to give up all of that tasty fodder for your story. While I think that Zuko's reign goes down in the history books as a prosperous turning point in Fire Nation history, and that he's remembered/invoked similar to how Queen Elizabeth I and Queen Victoria are in England today, the point nonetheless stands that he's going to have one HELL of a rocky start.
Really I just get mad at missed opportunities. There are so many delicious things to write! Why wouldn't you write them!?
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Post by mrspettyfer on Nov 27, 2012 17:52:25 GMT -6
Er, what?! lol I'm not a huge fan of the concubine headcanon stuff in fanfic to be honest. I don't recall anything in canon that suggests it. I mean if people want to take creative license with it for the sake of fanfiction, whatever, but I'm prettttyy sure it wasn't Bryke's intention for concubines.
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Post by harpalyce on Nov 27, 2012 18:57:48 GMT -6
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Post by kaoru on Nov 27, 2012 19:16:24 GMT -6
It somewhat makes sense. Most of the royal families in history had mistress/concubines/harems. So I guess it would kind of apply to ATLA.
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