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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 4, 2012 20:21:45 GMT -6
^I agree. I think season one Zuko deals with the most...violent side of him. But he's still a good guy underneath his temper tantrums. And I also don't like for Zutara romances to feel rushed. Especially if they start off hating eachother. Season 1 Zutara requires much more patience for the author.
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Post by dynamojacks on Dec 4, 2012 21:37:34 GMT -6
I read in a fanfic (or was it Irrel's comic thing?) where it was a modern AU, and Zuko's last name was Sozinaka and Katara's was Kuruk. I thought that was kinda neat. I didn't mind it, but yeah... If it's something like "Fire" all I can thing about is: (I'm sorry I'm slow but I LOL'd at this XD) Ugh, THIS. Again, this is one of the things that people use against Zutara, because they seem to think that Zuko's that kind of guy in the first place. Anyone who pays enough attention to the series will know for sure that isn't true. And it cheapens his character, making him into the kind of unfeeling twat people make him out to be in TSR (never over that bullshittery. Never over it). Zuko truly does have a heart of gold. Iroh even attests to that later on, and it's not just him being nice. He may be have been abrasive and dickish early on, but- especially since his maturity- he's so much more than a badboy trope. And this also reflects crappily on Katara's character when they use the trope, too. Because they shoehorn a stubborn strong-willed character with someone who's a total dick to her, and have her yield? Uh, no. Katara wouldn't stand for that shit, even in capture. She would fight tooth and nail. We don't want her being weak/wilty and Zuko being all tough and in her face. Because it doesn't even suit him to begin with- he's too conflicted. If he tried to be that kind of person, even in s1, I think his conscience would be having a go at him. Like when he suggested going into the storm without caring for the safety of the crew. He changed his tune shortly after didn't he? Then again I don't even go there with the s1 Zutara- even s2 is a bit of a stretch for me. I wouldn't know where to start <<;;
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Post by kathrynlacey on Dec 4, 2012 21:51:28 GMT -6
I hate how in every capture!Katara fic I've ever read, Zuko is this giant douche who become extremely clingy and codependent. It makes me queasy...
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 4, 2012 22:01:47 GMT -6
I hate how in every capture!Katara fic I've ever read, Zuko is this giant douche who become extremely clingy and codependent. It makes me queasy... And this would be why I don't read capture fics unless they're recommended. Zuko AND Katara are both fiercely independent individuals. They would work well together but if they lose that then wha? Not the same anymore.
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Post by dynamojacks on Dec 4, 2012 22:11:19 GMT -6
I posted something a little while back from Drunkzutarafeels on that subject- about taking away the independant nature of the characters, the thing that makes them attractive to each other. There's nothing if you strip away their very core. Sure, there is some kind of dependancy as far as relationships go, otherwise there wouldn't be a need for a relationship in the first place. But it shouldn't overrule their whole being- it should be something that keeps them needing each other for growth's sake. And they do- they need each other's fiery spirit and independance- it's something that they thrive on, and honestly it's the likeness that goes down pretty damned well for them both. (not sure if I'm explaining this coherently, I'm way tired lol)
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Post by mrspettyfer on Dec 4, 2012 23:27:46 GMT -6
Capture fics are HARD. People write them off as cliche but really, they are probably the most challenging type of Zutara story you can attempt. You have Zuko and Katara who at this stage at least likely to fall for eachother--whereas post-canon you have friendship to build on. Capture fics are very tricky. I think More than the Price of Honor is pretty good so far and it's a capture fic.
Another peeve I have, and I'm not sure if it's been brought up: tenses and POV's. I used to refuse to read first person, but it seems like every YA book these days is told in first so I've had to deal with it, haha. I struggle a bit with present tense..but I'm coming around to it. I think it's more effective when the character spends time alone with little dialogue, like The Hunger Games though.
I know a lot of people write third person, present tense, and for some reason it completely throws me off. I feel like the Boulder is talking.
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Lol I just can't read third person/present tense without the Boulder's voice in my ear.
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 4, 2012 23:36:09 GMT -6
I hadn't thought of it till you said it but OMG I Will now> XD If they do it WELL then I'd read Capture. But it's more the people who really don't do it justice that give it a bad name. I dislike first person generally but LadyAvatar does a GREAT job with that in "Fire and Ice". I was hesitant to read it at first...but then I was like eh I'll give it a shot. I quickly fell in love. =3
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 5, 2012 0:13:02 GMT -6
I have read two good Capture fics: More than the Price of Honor and Promises to Keep. Everything else has been pretty shocking, though Shameless Liar's one (forget the title of it right now) isn't so bad. Got a LONG list...so Lol. I'll add them to it.
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Post by kaoru on Dec 5, 2012 0:58:24 GMT -6
I have read two good Capture fics: More than the Price of Honor and Promises to Keep. Everything else has been pretty shocking, though Shameless Liar's one (forget the title of it right now) isn't so bad. Got a LONG list...so Lol. I'll add them to it. I thought this one was alright www.fanfiction.net/s/2377707/1/The-Hunter-and-The-Prey
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Post by azuremoon on Dec 5, 2012 1:01:18 GMT -6
I'll check it out Kaoru. Not now, because Zutara month is here and I'm kind of dealing with that ALL the time. XDD I'm doing it daily. @@ And still trying to finish up a gift fic.
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